MU Formulas (MP, HP, Def...)

[(VM)Javiercar]

Let's go deep into how Mu calculations on HP options and boosters are made!
On normal level char without HP and set bonuses or ML stats is easy:

Example:
Naked BK HP:858
http://prntscr.com/c5z3n2
Naked BK with ring+4%HP:858*1.04=892.32
http://prntscr.com/c5z8tx
Naked BK with ring 2 rings+4% HP: 858*1.08=926.64 (not exactly like this, but simplyfing)
http://prntscr.com/c5z9dq
(Note that the 4% is applied of base hp, not the one resulting after first ring+hp, or otherwise it would be 858*1.04*1.04=928 HP, which is not the case)
BK with an ancient set that gives +15 vit: 858+15*3=903
http://prntscr.com/c5zari
BK with an ancient set that gives +15 vit and a ring +4% HP: 858*1.04+15*3=937.32
http://prntscr.com/c5zbjv
So yeah, ancient stats are NOT affected by it, because otherwise it would be: 903*1.04=939.32 which is not the case.

Let's move to a ML char.
SM without any HP modifier except from Tree and ML Stats: 30+799+113*2+766=1821
http://prntscr.com/c5zkhx
SM with a ring+4% HP: ( 30+799+15*2)*1.04+98*2+766=1855.36
http://prntscr.com/c5zo88
So yeah, master level HP doesn't get raised by 4% option, but surprisingly (or buggedly lol) Master level HP stats doesn't either
Following the logic of the example before, if we add a 5 ancient parts +5sta: ( 30+799+15*2)*1.04+25*2+98*2+766
http://prntscr.com/c5zpmz
So if we add the last part of my gear (shield with +hp option): ( 30+799+15*2)*1.08+25*2+98*2+766=1939.72
http://prntscr.com/c5zqho

So in general, for any char formula is:
(Base HP
+ Level HP
+ Stamina Points (from stats) HP)
* HP boosters

+ HP from ancient items and options
+ HP from Master Level Stats
+ HP from Master Level HP increase
+ HP from BA/DA items

Things left for testing:
Stats from EE Bless
Vit from earth seed
%HP option from seed
Increase Max Life from ancients

My guess is that all that those will be added at the end without being multiplied (and that %HP from socket will work same way as excellent), but my gear/chars doesn't allow me to test that.

Lets now check how Life sweall(23%) works:
SM with ancient set, but no ring +hp or shield: ( 30+799+15*2)*1.23+25*2+98*2+766=2068
http://prntscr.com/c603u3

Notice that the correct way to add this HP % increase options is actually like this (But I simplified on the examples avobe because the results didn't change at all)
30+799+15*2)+25*2+98*2+766 (1871)
HP Sweal: ( 30+799+15*2)*0.23=197.57 Truncated to 197
HP option: ( 30+799+15*2)*0.04=34.36 again, truncated to 34
HP Option2: ( 30+799+15*2)*0.04=34.36 again, truncated to 34
1871+197+34+34=2136
Which of course, matches in-game result:
http://prntscr.com/c60af9
If we would skip this truncating operations, result would be ( 30+799+15*2)*1.31+25*2+98*2+766=2137, so you can skip it if you want to make your own calculations faster :P

[(VL)s0uLLess]

If I remember well, there is a minor issue with rings +HP and seeds calculation that sometimes force players to take the rings off and put them back in order to correct the final HP. Lets see...

s0ul

[Oldgamermu]

thnx, this info i was loking some time ago. can test BA items+life and exc+4% increse? wich hp i going first in formula?

[(VM)Javiercar]

edited my post to add that.

PS: your post actually inspired me to research and make this topic.

[(VM)Javiercar]

Mana calculations:
Total mana with level poins, energy stats and master level: 799*2+1700*2+567+98*2=5761
http://prntscr.com/c6sr7k
Mana when adding a ring +4%: (799*2+100*2)*1.04+567+98*2=5960
http://prntscr.com/c6vn3u
Mana when adding an ancient part, so i get+50 bonus mana from anubis: (799*2+1700*2)*1.04+567+98*2+50=6010
http://prntscr.com/c6vnyp
Mana when I removed the ancient part, but I add a ba helm+165 mana: (799*2+1700*2)*1.04+567+98*2+165=6125
http://prntscr.com/c6vogk
Mana when adding an anubis ring+0+10+3%HP (which in reality is giving 3%mana too!): (799*2+1700*2)*1.03+567+98*2+20+50=5980
http://prntscr.com/c6vq36

So in general, for any char formula is:
(Base Mana (in SM cas it's 0)
+ Level MP
+ Energy Points (from stats) MP)
* MP boosters

+ MP from ancient items and options
+ MP from Master Level Stats
+ MP from Master Level HP increase
+ MP from BA/DA items

[(VL)s0uLLess]

Change the topic title then, nab! :P

s0ul

[(VM)Javiercar]

done, even though mana points are not a very big interest, except in decripting builds maybe. And knowing that if any high level sm got an even number as mana, he probably misscliked when adding points in tree^^

[(VM)Javiercar]

Defense calculation:
Without any defense item: 152(from agility)+411(ML def)+175 (Steel def)=738
http://prntscr.com/c7gl9z
Equipping wings: 152+411+175+126(wings)+16(wing opt)+66(def from Eternal Wing PowUp)=946
http://prntscr.com/c7gly1
Now equipping Anub+Barnake+9+16+L: 152+411+175+126+16+66+403(from set)=1349
http://prntscr.com/c7h2o9
Now I switch set to Dark soul+15+16+L, so I get a 30% defense bonus, but as you might guess, that bonus is not applied on total defense:
(152+126+16+20+615(def from DS set)*1.3+411+175+66+39(defense from full set mastery)=1898
http://prntscr.com/c7h5ps
Another example of bonus: full set: eclipse+13+16+DD
(152+126+16+20+533(def from eclipse set)*1.2+411+175+66+39=1707
http://prntscr.com/c7h7vp

So in general, formula goes like this:
(Def from agility
+Def from items)
*Set bonus (*1.05-1.3)
+Master Level Bonuses

[(VL)s0uLLess]

In order to help, here is a more detailed formula:

(StatusDef + ShieldDef + SetDef + WingsDef) * SetBonus + MST Skills [DefInc + SteelArmor + ArmorSetBonusInc + WingsDefPowUp + DarkHorseStr(1) +ShieldStr]

s0ul

[(VM)Javiercar]

Cheers!! Thank you

[Maxito]

So the best Useful HP is that you get innate (from stamina stats) so it increases Recovery (from Rings, Mastery and Pots) and HPExe Opt
Needs to test if Stamina Stats from ML applies too.

[(VM)Javiercar]

To exc HP% STA stats from ML doesnt, it is actually specified in the formula at the end.
To HP recovery, since it actually works from total max hp, every HP point is useful.

[Kvas]

Thank you for the very useful post, Javier!

Offtopic: Indeed the way the Master Level Stats work is kinda disappointing. Agility does not affect elemental dmg/def calculations, Stamina is not affected by HP multipliers, etc. I wonder if MST agility does affect the SB % for SM

[(VM)Javiercar]

They do, even ancient stats work for SB. I remember testing that for another thread or in some of my videos.

[(VL)s0uLLess]

I changed the topic title and stuck it...
Atk formula is still a mystery! LOL

s0ul

[(VM)Javiercar]

Will try to get on it :P

[(VM)Javiercar]

Another small formula to add: Absorb calculation

100* (1-mount% absorb)*(1-Wings Absorb %)*(1-Soul Barrier%)*(1-pet% absorb (angel))=X
Now, round X up, your actual absorb is 100-X' (X rounded up)

Examples:
Just Wings:
69% absorb
http://prntscr.com/dpr0s1

Wings+SB:
100*(1-0.69)*(1-0.44)=17.36, rounds up to 18
100-18=82% absorb
http://prntscr.com/dpr33w

Wings+SB+Dinorat:
100*(1-0.69)*(1-0.44)*(1-0.1)=15.624, rounds up to 16
100-16=84% absorb
http://prntscr.com/dpr42f

Wings+SB+Dinorat+Angel:
100*(1-0.69)*(1-0.44)*(1-0.1)*(1-0.2)=12.4492, rounds up to 13
100-13=87% absorb
http://prntscr.com/dpr4qf

Another example,now with DL:
Just with cape:
52% absorb
http://prntscr.com/dpr5g0

Wings+Horse:
100*(1-0.52)*(1-0.5)=24
100-24=76% absorb
http://prntscr.com/dpr6ov

Wings+Horse+sb:
100*(1-0.52)*(1-0.5)*(1-0.44)=13.44 , rounds up to 14
100-14=86% absorb
http://prntscr.com/dpraf2

Wings+Horse+SB+Angel:
100*(1-0.52)*(1-0.5)*(1-0.44)*(1-0.2)=10.752 , rounds up to 11
100-11=89% absorb
http://prntscr.com/dpran3

[Maxito]

HP Potions Ignores HP Points from ML Tree, if you have 0 stamina build potions dont heal even 30% of HP - Needs to be corrected ASAP, take in count MAXIMUM HP you have
Elemental Defense ignores Points from Agility from ML - Needs to be corrected ASAP taking in count ALL the AGILITY you have.

[Gdzz]

Nice to know, if you sure about that report this on:
http://forum.webzen.com/forum/en/mu-...ssues-feedback
Nothing will happen, because no one reads the forum. But at least is at the right section. xD

[(VM)Javiercar]

Max AG formula (SM): 0.2*ene+0.3*sta+0.4*agi+0.2*str+ Maximun AG Increase (middle tree ML skill)

AG regen: 2+MaxAG/33.3+ Automatic AG Recovery Increase (left tree ML Skill) % *Max AG

Example:
My max AG is 1952*0.2+253*0.3+673*0.4+409*0.2+162= 979 and I regen 106 every tick
which matches: 2+979/33.3+0.0771*979=106

[(VM)Javiercar]

Pretty sure that SB formula (10+agi/50+ene/200+sb mastery) doesn't count decimals anymore... why they change this kind of things to worse? lol

[(VM)Javiercar]

Since I came back to this thread, let's add a bit more:


Elemental dmg/def formulas (SM)

Elemental Min Damage (SM): Energy (without ML stats)/9 +Pentagram Min Dmg +Anger (+Integrity+Radiance) +Pentagram upgrade level
Example
SM with 1384 energy,no penta:
1384/9=153
http://prntscr.com/hwhauw
Adding a Kundun Madness pentagram+9 with Anger Rank 1+7, rank2 +3
1384/9+208+93+9=463
http://prntscr.com/hwhhft

Elemental Max Damage (SM): Energy (without ML stats)/6 +Pentagram Max Dmg +Anger (+Integrity+Radiance) +Pentagram upgrade level
SM with 1834 energy, no penta:
1384/6=230
http://prntscr.com/hwhi1y
Adding the same pentagram:
1384/6+272+93+9=604
http://prntscr.com/hwhj6e


THIS IS REALLY STRANGE, ML STATS and ANCIENT ARE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT
Elemental Attack rate: Round[(lvl*5+(Agility with ML and Ancient stats)*3/2+ (Strengh with ML and Ancient stats)/4]*Integrity Errtel %
Without pentagram
788*5+780*3/2+294/4=5183
http://prntscr.com/hwiia3
With pentagram:
5183*1.14=5908
http://prntscr.com/hwij4v

This is where it gets weird!!
Another SM, with ML and ancient stats
800*5+672*3/2+399/4=5107
http://prntscr.com/hwim9l
http://prntscr.com/hwimyq
This is really strange because usually ML and ancient stats do NOT work for elemental system at all



Elemental Defense (SM): Agility(without ML stats)/4+ Pentagram Defense +Blessing (+Divinity+Radiance)
Without pentagram:
780/4=195
http://prntscr.com/hwiovt
With pentagram
780/4+276+52=523
http://prntscr.com/hwioap


Elemental Defense Rate: Agility without ML stats)/3*Divinity Errtel %
Without pentagram
520/3=173
http://prntscr.com/hwiq96
Note that I do have 520+88+64 from ML tree stats and Ancient set, but they don't work this time:
http://prntscr.com/hwir41
http://prntscr.com/hwirco
With Pentagram equiped:
Round (520/3)*1.14=197
http://prntscr.com/hwissz

Elemental Imprint

I struggle to figure it out totally, but this is what I have:
Level 300 penta got a base imprint of 36 at +9 too.
All Errtels +0 give base imprint 7, even defensive ones, which might seem counterintuitive.
Errtels +3/5/6 give same amount of imprint than +0.
Rank 2+0/3 errtels give 9